December 9, 2007


by Chris Randall

I might be a little behind the times here, but I've recently discovered this new(ish) genre called Grime, which is intriguing me. My 10-second review of the entire genre: play a 45-RPM D&B record at 33, and run the output through Replicant and a big-ass plate reverb set to 80% wet.

That said, I am virtually certain that there are readers here who not only know about Grime, but make it (the music, not the kibble.) And you can illuminate us all on what the deal is. Who's the big artist? Why are they good? What are the bullet points?

(It's hard keeping track of all these electronic genres, I'll grant, but at least I try.)

EDIT: I think that I was talking about dubstep. But maybe not.



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Dec.09.2007 @ 3:11 PM
Example track that would fit into the dubstep / grime genre...

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Dec.09.2007 @ 3:16 PM
d wagenbach
you might want to look at Burial on hyperdub.
bleak love songs of alienation

Dec.09.2007 @ 3:29 PM
Burial is pretty amazing stuff; not sure if it's true grime though? The canonical stuff so far have been the 2 Run the Road comps (are there more now?), plus lots of other 12" and stuff of course. The comps are highly recommended; Dizzee Rascal's probably the highest-profile artist here in the states to come out of the scene so far.

Dec.09.2007 @ 3:35 PM
Chris Randall
I had come across the Burial stuff on Beatport on accident (ironically, while I was looking for minimal house stuff), and that's what triggered my curiosity. I mean, it's dubby, all right, but so much slower and more... uh... fractured? than the norm that I didn't know exactly what I was listening to.

I know our two Japan-based contributors will have some extended thoughts on this subject, so I await their posts... ;-)

EDIT: Now I'm listening to the iTune Essentials Grime playlist, and it's all just fast-ass hip hop, nothing like the Grime lists on Beatport. I'm confused now.



Dec.09.2007 @ 3:41 PM
Perhaps you came across some dubstep? That's pretty fractured, slow, dubby and subbass-laden.

Dec.09.2007 @ 3:52 PM
I actually don't know anything about "grime" except for burial, which is fairly interesting.

Dec.09.2007 @ 3:54 PM
Dubstep it'll be, that's the downbeat genre.

But the year of dubstep was 2006 ... 8/


Dec.09.2007 @ 3:59 PM
Chris Randall
I see what you're saying. When I search in Dubstep genres, I get much more of what originally caught my ear. Now, how the fuck can two so drastically differing genres get conflated like that? I can see someone confusing, say, progressive house and, e.g. deep house. But Grime and Dubstep seemingly have nothing to do with each other. Fucking bizarre.

When I listen to the samples in the CM cover DVD that are purportedly a grime construction kit, they all sound like this dubstep stuff. I think the issue is thus: Americans are calling this fast hip-hop genre "grime," and Europeans are calling dubstep "grime."



Dec.09.2007 @ 4:03 PM
Dizzee Rascal is the one that first got grime recognized with his album Boy in Da Corner. Spare production, frenetic beats and has a very claustrophobic feel to it. Incredible record and really haven't heard anything that quite sounds like it. Very sid-stationy in places. He's known as the British 50-Cent mainly for his penchant for getting shot at and previous drug dealing.

Lady Sovereign is another well known grime artist known more for her foul mouth and don't-give-a-shit attitude towards her fans.


Dec.09.2007 @ 4:28 PM
Stefan Goodchild
Depends what you mean by fast and slow. Both grime and dubstep use half-time sounding things so they are kinda sitting in the 130bpm area

Grime usually has vocals, dubstep is more instrumental and usually half time beats.

Nice dubstep mix I saw on Audio Lemon here.

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Download Original on the right is the link to the MP3 download.

All this is my best guess but I'm old so what the fuck do I know?


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