October 23, 2007

And in the same vein...

by Chris Randall
 

Downloaded and installed the Cubase 4.1.0 update. All seems to be well. There's sidechain now, but it's kind of dumb in its implementation, I have to say. And 3rd party devs can't use it until Steinbaha releases the VST3 SDK, so you're stuck with the next-to-useless C4 compressors and stuff. But it is there, and that's something.


The new routing scheme is fairly crafty, though. Makes it much easier to print external inserts and shit, something I do quite often. The way they've rigged it, you can't make a feedback loop, which will no doubt bumb Adam out to no end. I think there might be a way, but I haven't fully investigated it yet.


The update also fixed a couple problems I was having with repeatable crashes and audio skippage. So that's nice. All in all, a good update. No complaints.

 
 
 

10 comments:

 
 

 
Oct.23.2007 @ 8:58 PM
Adam Schabtach
I'm just about to install it. I had to finish HL2 Episode 2 first. Priorities, doncha know...

--Adam

 
 

 
Oct.23.2007 @ 9:36 PM
Adam Schabtach
Oh joy. Steinberg did the one thing I was really hoping they'd do in this update: they got rid of the stupid, useless, condescending "Earlier VST Plug-ins" sub-menu on the plug-ins menus. Now VST3 plug-ins are flagged with "///" on the left side of their name.

Too bad they didn't restore the magic-click generic-slider view. I guess that's really only useful to developers, though.

--Adam

 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 6:49 AM
lotlemmwax
Adam: Although it's not exactly like the generic interface in Live, perhaps you could use the new Quick Control panel thingy for the same purpose?
 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 9:20 AM
shamann
Have Steinberg yet said when they'll release the SDK for VST3? Seems like it is taking a lot more time than it should.
 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 10:02 AM
lotlemmwax
January 2008. Details: link [www.steinberg.ne...]">link [www.steinberg.ne...]
 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 11:10 AM
Chris Randall
Even then, it won't really matter until all the major DAWs add VST3 functionality. We certainly won't be releasing any VST3 plugs until Live, the Cakewalk products, the Samplitude products, and FL Studio are all VST3, unless a VST3 plug will work flawlessly in a VST2.4 host, albeit without the bells and whistles (unlikely.)

-CR

 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 11:57 AM
shamann
Using Universal Binaries as a benchmark, I'm guessing we won't see wide adoption of VST3 for quite some time.
 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 6:16 PM
Adam Schabtach
Tom: good suggestion. That should indeed work well for plug-ins with eight parameters or fewer, and will certainly be better than nothing for plug-ins with more parameters. In all versions of Cubase SX prior to 4 (I think--or was it 3?), you could ctrl-shift click on the button that opens a plug-in's editor, and Cubase would provide its own generic-slider view. I really don't know why they did away with that.

Shamann: if what you meant is that adoption of VST3 will take much longer than adoption of UB, I agree. There's far less motivation for developers to adopt VST3 (or rather, there will be once we're collectively able to even consider the work) than there was to implement UBs. As Chris said, it depends on the hosts and it depends on backwards compatibility. E.g. if a VST3 plug-in won't run in a VST 2.4 (or 2.0, or 1.0) host, then what do we do? Not adopt VST3 and appear to be falling behind the curve? Provide two different versions of every VST product? And so on. Then there's 64-bit compatibility, which soon the marketing departments of all OS vendors and DAW vendors will tout as something that every end-user needed yesterday and is so essential to your musical productivity that you simply must upgrade your OS, software, and hardware right away...

--Adam

 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 9:20 PM
shamann
Yeah, exactly. There was a bigger need to go UB, and consider that some of the top selling VSTi around still haven't gone UB.
 
 

 
Oct.24.2007 @ 10:10 PM
Chris Randall
That said, I can certainly think of several interesting uses for a sidechain that fall squarely within our area of expertise, and since AU already has it... Vocoder, ring mod, side-chain modded chorus, ducking delay, etc.. That's just off the top of my head. If Adam and I actually sat down and pondered it, I'm sure we could think of all kinds of things. So I hope it is quickly adopted. Luckily, all older VSTs work in the sole existing VST3 host, and I'm hoping that is cross-industry so we don't have to port everything like we did with UB and VST2.4 (which was a one-two punch that _really_ sucked.)

-CR

 
 

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