December 21, 2006


by Chris Randall

What's a cheap-ass A/D - D/A converter with AES besides the M-Audio Flying Cow? Never mind my aversion to all things Digi, the Flying Cow has been discontinued. I could probably find one somewhere, but I'd rather just order something that's new and, like, supported.

I know we had this conversation before, but I have a Kaoss Pad 3 showing up tomorrow, and Korg, for some bizarre reason, seems to lack the intrinsic understanding that it's, like, 2006 or something and it's easy to throw a pair of SPDIF jacks on any random piece of gear. This thing has RCA jacks. (Really?) So I need to get a converter just for it, because my system isn't hacked together with some whack-ass DJ mixer. I'm not going to bother using an Apogee for something that is just going to do another conversion process with A/D/A of a _much_ lower spec, so I just want to throw a cheap-ass converter on there.

I _suppose_ I could live with SPDIF->RCA->SPDIF (in for a penny, in for a pound, right?) just to use the damned thing. But I'd prefer AES, so I don't have to go through the drama of converting the native AES of my system with some silly adaptor. Oh, wait... That's what I'll be doing no matter what.



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Dec.22.2006 @ 12:23 PM
You know you'll get another synth or FX box eventually. Wasn't there a Moog whispering your name not too long ago?

Dec.22.2006 @ 12:48 PM
i honestly don't think you should bother with expensive conversion...if even just for the latency within the kaoss pad itself (unless they've fixed this in the new version?). you'll be spending a bunch of money not to fix a problem, just to make it "less bad". i love cheap studio gear, but my original kaoss pad has all the other cheap stuff beat in regards to noise, latency, and overall non-pro crapness...its sort of beyond help when it comes to making it work/sound good next to all the other stuff.

help us out with some more info on your set sounds like your entire studio runs on some pci multi-spdif i/o? can't you patch the kaoss pad in where some other cheap analog gear (you must have some?) is already being converted? you don't want a light pipe option and firewire is too latency prone for your needs but it seems weird that you don't have the ability to patch in analog gear at will. also, if you're already willing to spend money on good conversion, you might also consider mac so you can use os x's aggregate device feature...whatever you use as your main interface now, you might be able to use two (or more) at once.

and re: no spdif on the kaoss pad...99% of people buying the kaoss pad don't know what spdif is, and even if they do they only have 1 set of spdif i/o on their interface. is the kp3 1/4" i/o even balanced?


Dec.22.2006 @ 1:04 PM
Chris Randall
As I've said in this very thread, I use a Lynx AES16 with Apogee convertors. That said, I have very little analog gear. Two mic pres and an MKS-80. Everything else is AES. I'm not only willing to spend a lot of money on good conversion, I already have. I need to get _another_ Rosetta, is my point. I just wanted to use this dumb Kaoss pad in the interim, and not drop $250 for a used Flying Cow or $2500 for another Rosetta to do it, and was wondering if there was an easy solution I may have missed.

Did any of you actually read the post?

Oh, and to RexRhino, UPS just showed up. The Kaoss _only_ has RCA. There are 1/4" connectors on the front for a mic (???) and headphones, but none on the back. RCA only, if you can believe that.



Dec.22.2006 @ 1:25 PM
yes i did. you asked for help and i (we) did the best to offer it without spending time googling and following links for a half hour so i could better familiarize myself with your setup. i have a studio that works fine for me with tons and tons of i/o for what i i thought i could help based on personal experience, but obviously not. usually it is the asker of questions who is gracious, and defers judgement and provides as much info as possible so people can help as best they can. sorry to offend.

Dec.22.2006 @ 1:42 PM
As I've mentioned before, the SEK'D ADDA 2496 S is your best bet in this particular case. link []">link [] I see them go on the 'bay for around $300. Fuck, the last one went for $76 (10 days ago).

Dec.22.2006 @ 2:29 PM
Adam Schabtach
I think the first sentence of Chris's post is pretty clear, and really nothing else needs to be known about his setup to answer that question. But anyway, I'm beginning to think that we (AD) should start building and selling the thing that Chris is seeking. Notice how everyone and their idiot brother is making cheap audio interfaces these days? It's because 24-bit converter chips are cheap and easy to come by. It can't be that hard to add support logic to hook them to an AES port. Presto, a converter.

Oh, wait. We don't do hardware. Nevermind. I'm supposed to be writing the Replicant manual anyway.



Dec.22.2006 @ 3:46 PM
Chris Randall
>>As I've mentioned before, the SEK'D ADDA 2496 S is your best bet in this particular case.

Yup, you right. $76 is exactly what I want to pay in this case. Okay, now to hunt one up. It seems that or the Flying Cow are the only easy solutions available. I should have hunted up the previous thread where we talked about this very subject.

And to scientist, I take your point, and sorry if I came off as a bit gruff, but welcome to AI. That's the way we do things here. Suffice to say that my system is professional, not hobbiest, because I am a professional, not a hobbiest. My blog posts and comments assume that my readers are the same, and are going to know what a Rosetta or a Lynx AES16 are without any Googling, as these are common tools in the professional audio world.

This blog is largely about three things: Audio Damage products, professional high-end kit, and making fun of weekend warriors. While those three things are often at odds with one another, just understand that I'll bounce a motherfucker as soon as not, because I don't make any money from this site, and I don't have the time to go out and pick up a Wahhh burger and a side of Cry Fries every time someone misunderstands.


Dec.22.2006 @ 4:27 PM
hey, ya can't blame me for not reading every word in a're the one who just got a kaoss pad without even knowing it doesn't have 1/4"! just kidding. apology accepted, and please accept mine as well. if you check my first response you'll note that i pleaded ignorance in the very first sentence, which of course absolves me of any responsibility for saying anything stupid from that point on. its like the internet forum version of "i don't mean to offend, but..." and then saying something totally offensive.
looking forward to replicant, btw. at this point i'm audio damage-less as dubstation has been replaced with a genuine boss dm300.

Dec.22.2006 @ 4:31 PM
The best thing about the Kaoss Pad (and I'm sure this has already occurred to you) is connecting it via MIDI and just using it as a controller for plug-ins. What I've found with the previous Kaoss Pad is that the quality of the effects is not the main draw but rather the control mechanism for them; using it as a MIDI controller allows you to have the hands-on fun with much better plug-ins. Controlling Dubstation with it is fun like nothing else.

Dec.22.2006 @ 4:49 PM
Adam Schabtach
Use as a controller is my primary interest in the KP3, but I admit to being easily amused by anything with blinking lights. I'd been trying to resist buying one of the things but Chris convinced me that we need them for "research". Mine got held up by the blizzard so I may not get it until next week sometime.



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