December 21, 2006

Question...

by Chris Randall
 

What's a cheap-ass A/D - D/A converter with AES besides the M-Audio Flying Cow? Never mind my aversion to all things Digi, the Flying Cow has been discontinued. I could probably find one somewhere, but I'd rather just order something that's new and, like, supported.


I know we had this conversation before, but I have a Kaoss Pad 3 showing up tomorrow, and Korg, for some bizarre reason, seems to lack the intrinsic understanding that it's, like, 2006 or something and it's easy to throw a pair of SPDIF jacks on any random piece of gear. This thing has RCA jacks. (Really?) So I need to get a converter just for it, because my system isn't hacked together with some whack-ass DJ mixer. I'm not going to bother using an Apogee for something that is just going to do another conversion process with A/D/A of a _much_ lower spec, so I just want to throw a cheap-ass converter on there.


I _suppose_ I could live with SPDIF->RCA->SPDIF (in for a penny, in for a pound, right?) just to use the damned thing. But I'd prefer AES, so I don't have to go through the drama of converting the native AES of my system with some silly adaptor. Oh, wait... That's what I'll be doing no matter what.

 
 
 

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Dec.21.2006 @ 11:40 PM
synthetic
The words "cheap" and "AES/EBU" don't go together.

RME ADI2 fits you description, but you'll need to convert the unbalanced AES (aka S/PDIF) to an XLR.

link [www.rme-audio.co...]">link [www.rme-audio.co...]

Hosa makes a SPDIF/AES converter for $79. Or, you know, you could get a computer interface with some A/Ds on it. It's not like they're hard to find, and might come in handy. ;)

 
 

 
Dec.21.2006 @ 11:47 PM
synthetic
Go to fullcompass.com or bswusa.com and search for "a/d converter" and see if you find anything. Sometimes the broadcast and post guys have problems solvers like this, although they're often expensive.
 
 

 
Dec.21.2006 @ 11:54 PM
Chris Randall
Yeah, I need to get an Aurora 8 or Rosetta 800 (preferably the latter.) Adam was supposed to get tired of his and sell it to me at a steep discount, but that event hasn't occurred, so I suppose I need to just man up and buy the damned thing.

-CR

 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 6:55 AM
tremorcore
you could scour the interwebs for a used DAT machine. they go cheap these days. but the idea of that... ugh.

enjoy the kp3. it has some serious stuff, once you shut the pad animations off.

 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 7:39 AM
puffer
My ignorance may be showing through here, and this isn't really in the "cheap" category, but perhaps an RME Fireface 400 or multiface II. Way overkill for merely hooking up a Kaos pad, but the quality is unassailable.

Actually, as I'm looking at it, RME has a bunch of stuff that might fit the bill:
link [www.rme-audio.co...]">link [www.rme-audio.co...] -Here's a 2 channel converter, which is going for about $700.

link [www.rme-audio.co...]">link [www.rme-audio.co...] -Or this might be more what you're looking for, and it's about $100 cheaper.

I have a fireface 400 on the way right now and I'm so excited to dump my digital mixer and Audiophile 2496.

 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 10:58 AM
aKido
presonus firebox.
 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 11:14 AM
scientist
i'll show my ignorance too by suggesting an alesis ai3...i got one for $200 on ebay and its the best money i've spent on anything that doesn't actually create and/or manipulate sound. but i'd love to be enlightened as to why this isn't a good solution? i bought it specifically for all the gear that just doesn't seem to warrant expensive conversion (electribes, anyone?)...so if i'm doing something wrong i'd love to know. fwiw, black lion does a mod of this thing...they claim the converters are just fine but that something in the analog circuitry is sub par.
 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 11:37 AM
Chris Randall
RME ADI-2 : Costs twice as much as the Kaoss Pad, so we're looking at over a thousand dollars to get a mediocre insert effect. I could think of a lot better ways to spend that money, mainly on a used PCM91.

Fireface, Multiface, Firebox, any other permutations of the words "fire," "face," and "box": These are audio interfaces. I want a convertor, and a convertor only. There's absolutely no way I'm gonna sully my pristine, powerful, tuned PC with its Lynx AES16/Apogee audio with some low-end prosumer interface. No audio shall ever pass through the Firewire ports on my computer. I'm a fan of stability and low latency, two things precluded by Firewire interfaces. (My round trip latency is currently 2.20 ms.)

Alesis AI3: This is an audio -> lightpipe interface. Doesn't even have SPDIF, let alone AES.

As I said, I think I'm gonna have to just get another Rosetta. This is painful, but it needs to be done.

-CR

 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 11:53 AM
RexRhino
I was looking at the outputs on the Kaos Pad 3 just to make sure the SPDIF wasn't being mistaken for RCA jacks (I know, I know, CR wouldn't make a mistake like that, but what the heck I thought I would check anyway :) )... but yeah, it only has RCA and 1/4" stereo. The USB connector doesn't even work as a digital sound source.

So my question is, if you had to use one or the other, which is better? I always prefer 1/4" to RCA, because 1/4" is big, and chunky, and has a nice sturdy feel to them when you plug them into gear. But I can't say I can really hear much of a difference between them.

CR, can you post a review of the KP3 when you get it? I was thinking of getting one for live twiddling, but I am also worried it might just be a distraction.

 
 

 
Dec.22.2006 @ 12:22 PM
Chris Randall
I prefer 1/4" just because it isn't so lame. RCA is just lame, and SPDIF is lame by association. Audio connections should be TRS balanced 1/4" or XLR, whether they're analog or digital.

(Of course, this doesn't count for instruments, which are what they are. Only signal processors and the like.)

In any case, the KP3 is _exactly_ the sort of thing I can be really harsh on, so don't expect a love-fest or anything, but yeah, I'll put up a review.

-CR

 
 

 
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