August 29, 2006

Hmmm...

by Chris Randall
 

Okay, I'm working on Analog Rack V2, which will replace my (now gone) Blacet modular in stage performances for knob twiddling and stuff. I decided to build it around Moogerfoogers, because they have nice big knobs. I'm using one of those SKB flip-up 12-space things that all the Serge folks use, because it is convenient for my purposes. (Like so.)


I've only just started building, and I've reached an impasse of sorts. I've got the Moogerfooger LPF of course, and I got the ring mod. The rack unit that Moog sells (and which I just received today from Analogue Haven) holds three of the little fuckers. The question is: which one do I get for the third slot? The choices are MURF, phaser, and analog delay. That should be an easy choice, except the delay costs twice as much as the other two, and live I'll almost certainly be using Dubstation for all my delay needs. So, I'm really thinking either MURF or the phaser.


Any particular reason I should get the phaser instead of the MURF? I can't think of one off the top of my head, but there's a lot of people reading this blog that own one or both of these pedals, and who might have some insight in to why one is more appropo than the other.


To satisfy the obvious curiosity, the other things the rack will have are fuzz, distortion, compressor (all handmade by me), a CP251, a small mixer/router, and AES->analog->AES. I _may_ add a MIDI->CV convertor so I can give the pedals some presets, but I haven't decided for sure about that yet.

 
 
 

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Aug.29.2006 @ 7:26 PM
Adam Schabtach
Apply the same logic as you used with the delay. You have PhaseTwo, ergo you don't need the phaser.

--Adam

 
 

 
Aug.29.2006 @ 7:48 PM
shamann
And I thought you didn't much care for phasers? The MURF is a cool little unit.
 
 

 
Aug.29.2006 @ 7:55 PM
Chris Randall
I don't much care for phasers. But I have to put _something_ in the slot, don't I? I think the MURF is the obvious choice. I'd like the delay, but it's just too much money, and if I was going to buy an analog delay (and pay over $600 for it) I'd get that HiWatt tape delay, I think.

-CR

 
 

 
Aug.29.2006 @ 8:02 PM
Matt
The solution is simple. Why not get a MURF and a delay?
I'm interested in your compressor. Would you be willing to share the schematic/ details?
 
 

 
Aug.29.2006 @ 8:04 PM
Chris Randall
It's just an Orange Squeezer where I've knobbed out all the resistors for total control.

-CR

 
 

 
Aug.29.2006 @ 11:03 PM
inasilentway
You might be able to build or mod some of the other things into a homebuilt case that fills that hole. I don't really see the point in spending $299 or $399 for something you only sort of want but will get to fill an empty slot, when that could go towards buying something that you actually want (for example, a DSI Evolver is only two hundred more than the MURF and you can create all sorts of ridiculous noises with it).

The MURF is cool, but to use the same logic as PhaseTwo and Dubstation, doesn't BigSeq obviate your need to buy an sequenced filter, especially a $399 one?

 
 

 
Aug.29.2006 @ 11:33 PM
dm
I got the MuRF when it came out, to play with my modular. I grew bored of it faster than any other piece of gear I've owned. I sold it, losing a twenty in the process, about three weeks later. The MF phaser is super sweet sounding, I'd go with it.

Has anyone used the Moog delay? Does it merit its cost in any way?

 
 

 
Aug.30.2006 @ 12:20 AM
penzoil washington
well, i believe, but don't hold me to it, that this delay has VC over delay time. that's a rare & fun feature.

or get another filter and hack it to be high pass, that'd be evil.

 
 

 
Aug.30.2006 @ 3:43 AM
kokkobil3
well, actually with 914 and FlStudio internal controllers you can emulate the MuRF quite well!!!!

The big problem with the MuRF is a syncronization. Tap tempo works quite well, but isn't perfect, xpecially when you have some backing track to sync to.

You can do also great modulation effects with the MuRF using a slow modulation time and slow attack slow release envelope. really Floydish.

I also own the Phaser, and before buying an expression pedal was just a great phaser, now is THE phaser!

Those pedals sounds real gooooood!
Kokkobill

 
 

 
Aug.30.2006 @ 8:53 AM
JG
Quite a dilemma.

On the one hand, phasers are limited in usefulness because it's hard to avoid that instant-70's-cheeze sound. On the other, while the MuRF is a pretty cool device, it's incredibly limited - I mean, how many times can you use an 8-step filter before you and your audience are bored with it? (I remember listening to the sound samples, and after the 5th one I was thinking to myself "is that ALL it can do?!?")

In the end, I think the phaser has far more use, especially since it's 12-stage. Crank all of the settings up high and you have some serious PA-destruction potential!

 
 

 
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