July 12, 2006

I'll probably regret this one...

by Chris Randall

Dear Lazyweb:

I need one more multi-FX box. I'm extremely happy with my shiney new Eventide Eclipse (and at the risk of being both repetitive and boring, if you have the means, give Shawn a ring and get one your own bad self) and I'd like another multi-FX box to compliment it. Two caveats: maximum of $1100, and it must have AES/EBU I/O. I'm not fooling with any bullshit converters or impedance matching adapters. My shit is 100% AES in and out of my computer, and that doesn't change.

So, what's the most versatile and suck-free multi-FX unit, taking those two factors in to account? I've seen a couple PCM-81s going for that or less. Quite frankly, I wouldn't turn down a PCM-91, even though it's 'verb only, because I seem to be bouncing through the Eclipse while building a song, and finishing with a nice 'verb; might as well eliminate the middle-man. What I'd really like is a single-engined M5000, I think (as long as it had the digi card) but I'd be lucky to find one in that configuration for the price. So, the floor is open. Convince me.



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Jul.12.2006 @ 7:36 PM
For my money, the best under-$1K effects processor with AES/EBU I/O is the Sony DPS-V77.

As a dual-engine unit with a slew of complex algos and real-time control, it is in some ways a sibling to the Eventide Eclipse in terms of design aesthetic.

The sound quality is also tops. Reverb is on par with a Lexicon PCM-81, but quite different in character - more refined, detailed, "places," if you will, with a quite-lovely Plate. Many tasty delay options and the modulated delay effects will be lush. There are many other odds and sods in there too. Well-done UI to boot.



Jul.13.2006 @ 12:33 AM
Well, I sold the Q20s but kept the Wedge, so I guess I agree with you. Sort of. Cause the Wedge is the bomb, better than the ringy Lex 200 by a long shot.

If you really want a single engine M5000, then save for the Reverb 4000. Or buy something else, use it, sell it, then buy the Rev 4000 later. Or maybe THIS will be the year that TC has that DSP cheaper at AES.


Jul.13.2006 @ 9:46 AM
penzoil washington
TC guy came right out and told me that they reserve their good algo's for the high line, though they could easily make their cheap stuff sound better. That put me right off the company.

Jul.13.2006 @ 1:25 PM
Well, of course they do. The hardware boxes, whether it's a Reverb 4000 or a Powercore, is acting as a "dongle" for the reverb algorithms. You're not just paying for the knobs and DSP chips, you're paying for the man years of research it took to ray-trace concert halls and get the results to sound good.

Then again, I think people should pay for music and software too, so what do I know.


Jul.13.2006 @ 1:51 PM
Chris Randall
Yeah, I gotta go with Jeff on this one. The DSP is the same in the M200 and the M2000; there's just more of it in the latter. You're paying for the math, which is most definitely the expensive part.



Jul.13.2006 @ 4:52 PM
penzoil washington
Y'know, I'd be fine with all that except I was working on a piece of gear (fireworx) that was a horrid-sounding piece of crap. How far does it need to be dumbed down to make sense for a Mfr? how about $14.95 versions of Audio Damage plugs that sound like ass? didn't think so.......

Jul.13.2006 @ 4:55 PM
penzoil washington
keep in mind too that fireworx wasn't cheap, either. i sold the one they gave me for $1800.

Jul.14.2006 @ 12:37 PM
I have to agree re the Wedge...I've got three now - one is an extra if someone wants one ;)

At this point the Fireworx and the Wedge are my only outboard. Everything else is either PT TDM default FX or Waves TDM.

The Fireworx is really something special.


Jul.16.2006 @ 4:34 AM
If you're really looking for the M3000, buy an old Poco Element (around $250,- used) and the VSS3 add-on (around $400,- new). gives you 4 instances instead of the M3000's 2 instances.
I also think the user-interface on TC's optional plugs are great!
Don't forget to check out the NONLIN2 algo, a bit of a hidden gem, very special.

Cocerning the Fireworks, I _really_ tried to like it, it's a programmers dream, with modulation capabillities without restrictions, etc..., but the sound was never satisfying to me.



Jul.19.2006 @ 5:50 PM
I don't know if anybody is still looking at this thread but here goes:

There is a TC M5000 for sale herer. Asking is $1800 CDN. Let's say i got lucky and could get it for $1600 CDN ($1420 USD).

Info is as follows:
The Unit was built in 1998 it uses version 3.53. It has a DSP 1 Engine and an ADA 1 Engine plus two empty slots.

I have seen a picture and it looks to be in good shape.

Is this a worthy purchase?


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