July 12, 2006

I'll probably regret this one...

by Chris Randall
 

Dear Lazyweb:


I need one more multi-FX box. I'm extremely happy with my shiney new Eventide Eclipse (and at the risk of being both repetitive and boring, if you have the means, give Shawn a ring and get one your own bad self) and I'd like another multi-FX box to compliment it. Two caveats: maximum of $1100, and it must have AES/EBU I/O. I'm not fooling with any bullshit converters or impedance matching adapters. My shit is 100% AES in and out of my computer, and that doesn't change.


So, what's the most versatile and suck-free multi-FX unit, taking those two factors in to account? I've seen a couple PCM-81s going for that or less. Quite frankly, I wouldn't turn down a PCM-91, even though it's 'verb only, because I seem to be bouncing through the Eclipse while building a song, and finishing with a nice 'verb; might as well eliminate the middle-man. What I'd really like is a single-engined M5000, I think (as long as it had the digi card) but I'd be lucky to find one in that configuration for the price. So, the floor is open. Convince me.

 
 
 

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Jul.12.2006 @ 3:11 PM
d wagenbach
We have a fireworx and DSP400 as our workhorses and I love the fireworx. it really compliments the Eventide stuff. I found the fireworx to be really flexible and unique. You really need to spoend some time with the Fireworx and dig into programming it to see what it's got.
 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 3:41 PM
idiotboy
The Kurzweil KSP8 has AES I/O and is very flexible.
 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 3:47 PM
shamann
> The Kurzweil KSP8 has AES I/O and is very flexible.

But it goes for around $2500 doesn't it?

 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 3:49 PM
Chris Randall
Yeah, I'm leaning towards the KSP8. I would have already bought a Rumour if it had AES, but it is SPDIF only. The weird thing is that almost no "pro" digital interfaces have more than one SPDIF port. I wonder what these manufacturers think they're accomplishing by making so much SPDIF-heavy gear.

Viz. the Fireworx, I guess I never really looked at it. It seems to actually be quite sophisticated. Well, it depends on whether I see one of those cheap first or an M3000. I would probably prefer the latter, but you know...

-CR

 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 4:30 PM
synthetic
I'm planning to save up for a Reverb 4000. I hear nothing but raves about that box, unlike most recent Lexicon gear. It has the stereo versions of the System 6000 reverbs. It's still a ways off, but I'm saving my pennies.

How about the Eventide Reverb 2016? (S/PDIF, but you can usually convert RCA to XLR to get AES. It's the same chip on the inside, and they usually ignore the pro/consumer flag, which is the only difference in the digital signal.)

Or a Quantec Yardstick? Or, if I actually pay attention to your budget for a minute, an Alesis Q20? That's a fun MFX box with good reverb (almost identical to the Wedge, which kills the PCM-90).

 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 4:32 PM
penzoil washington
The fireworx is a hideous piece of crap. I programmed a gang of presets for TC and couldn't wait to get the thing out of my studio. You can't use it as a return effect in the analog world as its latency seems to be the perfect amount to throw it well out of phase with the dry signal. And every single algorithim in there sounds like ass compared even to the onboard fx in some keyboards.
 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 4:40 PM
Chris Randall
"S/PDIF, but you can usually convert RCA to XLR to get AES."

Not really. On the input, you have to attenuate the signal quite a bit to avoid digital distortion, and the output needs to be changed from coax to balanced via a transformer. I'm not going to put a $2K 'verb in my rack that needs a fucking adapter and only makes one sound. Plus I have the Stereo Room plug, which is intrinsically the same thing as the only preset I'll ever use, so there's not much point in it.

As for the Alesis box, I know you have a soft spot in your heart for it, but I gotta disagree with your detective work there.

-CR

 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 6:10 PM
penzoil washington
perhaps the ideal choice for a man of your discretion and taste? well, it's hardly a multieffects box....

link [www.dacs-audio.co...]">link [www.dacs-audio.co...]

 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 6:37 PM
Chris Randall
Man, I know. But I don't know. You know?

I came across a bunch of Space Station IRs, and I loaded them up, and they sounded uniformly like shite. While I, like any reasonable person, know that IR simulation is crap in general (would you like that squeezed to death? Or with an utter lack of bandwidth? No problem on both counts!) I still expected it to be more, like, Wow, considering the pedigree of the box.

So, I hate to admit it, but I'm not confident enough in the Space Station to drop $1.3K on it without hearing it first.

-CR

 
 

 
Jul.12.2006 @ 6:42 PM
blinkman
That's (the Ursa Major) exactly what I was going to suggest. Seems like it'd be right up your alley. But I think it's outside your budget...

c.

 
 

 
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