May 30, 2006

Altiverb Windows (emphasis on the doze)

by Chris Randall

I'm sure I'm not alone in not caring about this. I'm of the considered opinion that there are two kinds of reverb: the kind that comes out of high-end hardware, and the shitty kind. Altiverb falls in to the latter catagory, of course. As far as I'm concerned, anyways. But lots of people seem to be excited about this, so here you go. No demo for PCs yet, but I'm kind of anti-demo, anyways, so that doesn't bother me. (I mean, would you buy a car if you got to take it home and drive it for a month, but it only went 35 MPH and the horn beeped every 45 seconds? I didn't think so.)

If you're not in the know (there have to be at least 6 of you out there that aren't) Altiverb is the original IR 'verb. Whether it is the best or not is open to interpretation. It is certainly one of them.



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May.31.2006 @ 8:36 AM
Chris Randall
If you want a rackmount spring reverb, and you have some coin handy, there is a Demeter rackmount one on Analog Haven right now that is, in short, The Shit:

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$499, but worth every single penny. I've been thinking about buying it, but since my system is all AES/EBU I/O now, it's kind of a pita for me to use it. I'd have to break my cardinal rule of not ever giving Digidesign any money ever again, and get an M-Audio Flying Cow or some shit to be able to use it as an insert effect, and that would blow.

The TC M-One and D-Two are fantastic boxes for the money, I couldn't agree more. If I had a budget home studio... hey, wait... let me put that another way: if I _didn't_ have an Eventide Eclipse, I'd have both of those. Right now, I'd really like to have another Eclipse. Or a Lexi 300. Or a Seven Woods Space Station.



May.31.2006 @ 10:55 AM
penzoil washington
The low end TC stuff:
Really Chris? Last cheap TC box I used was Fireworx, which specialized in making everything sound like shit even before applying it's whack-ass dsp.

May.31.2006 @ 11:16 AM
Adam Schabtach
Re Altiverb: AudioEase's strength in the convolution reverb market is their IR collection, I'd say. They clearly put a worthwhile amount of effort into creating their IRs. I was excited about the release of the PC version (I don't share my co-officer's dislike of convolution reverb) until I noticed that it uses PACE copy protection, which I now boycott. I'll keep using the Voxengo convolution plug-in for IR processing, the UAD-1 for its plate 'verb, the PoCo for other reverb stuff, and oh yes my shiny new Eclipse once I have time to take it out of the box and figure out where to put it.

Re spring emulations: yeah, we'd love to build one, but it's not something that anybody--and I mean anybody--knows how to do. Seriously, do any of the spring emulations sound any good at all? No, aside from IR-based processing and there's no need for us to get into that market. I tried a PSP freebie (came with the latest issue of CM) recently, and it doesn't sound anything like a spring. I had high hopes for the UAD-1's RE-201 emulation, but the reverb in it sounds awful. I don't have an RE-201 handy to compare it to, but it just sounds bad, and not bad in a good way. (The delay section is not bad, but in the end I decided that Ronin and DubStation cover that territory for me well enough.)

Re the pricing of the PCM-91 vs. the 300: it probably has a lot to do with relative age.

Re the low-end TC stuff: to me it's okay but sort of lacking in character. I had an M-One and thought it was fine, but sort of plain-vanilla-sounding. I sold it when I got the PoCo. The D-Two has some really interesting ideas in it, and I'll probably not be able to resist acquiring one for much longer. I've been saved largely by the presence of Waves SuperTap on my music PC, but that's going to work for only so long; I have a weakness for hardware. We could use a D-Two for *cough cough* inspiration...



May.31.2006 @ 12:00 PM
I thought the springverb ensemble that came with Reaktor was a pretty good sounding emulation, but totally not worth the rediculous cpu overhead to run it. The psp verb with the spring setting has to be one of the worst verb plugs Ive ever heard (stick to the dynamics boys). Who cares, between Deverb, WaveArts' Masterverb and my Furman I'm happy..


May.31.2006 @ 12:49 PM
My 2 favorite reverbs:

Furman RV-1
Yamaha R100

I really can't be bothered by convolution reverbs in my own music.

When I do a classical session, with real instruments, I prefer to use a real acoustic space - I've found several nice sounding churches in the bay area that are happy to rent out for sessions for not very much money. And if I need to add any adittional reverb, my MPX1 or SPX900 tend to sound much "nicer" than most plugins. I own both waves and altiverb for my mac, and I wish I had spent the money on a PCM91 or something. I have a TC Fireworx, and not a fan of it at all. I think it's going bye bye real soon.

The Yamaha R100 is I think a 12-bit 32khz low-res reverb from late 80s. It's a very unassuming little 1/2 rack box, but whenever I use it in my tracks, people cream themselves over the spaciousness. Has an "infinite" reverb that just decays into beautiful icy-cold noise washes perfect for blasting acid lines into.

The Furman is permanently patched into an ADA s1000 digital delay, and then into a noise gate. I use the delay for some pre-delay, or echos, and then set the gate to slowly and gently close after each hit. Works wonders on 808 snares.

I have acquired a ratshack reverb too - but it is only making crackling sounds at this moment. Got to take it apart and see what's up.

Reverb is overused in music anyways. I always try to program synth voices to have all the "space" they need. And sometimes just a little bit of delay, or some squashy compression, can do the trick nicely.


May.31.2006 @ 12:58 PM
That's true; in many cases reverb -- like religion and politics -- is the last refuge of a scoundrel.

May.31.2006 @ 1:54 PM
Chris Randall
Amen to all the above. While I like TC's better products in general, I dislike the Fireworks immensely.

Also, don't forget that ol' standby, the Active Bass preset on the REV5. One of those settings that Just Works for most anything.



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