May 30, 2006

Altiverb Windows (emphasis on the doze)

by Chris Randall

I'm sure I'm not alone in not caring about this. I'm of the considered opinion that there are two kinds of reverb: the kind that comes out of high-end hardware, and the shitty kind. Altiverb falls in to the latter catagory, of course. As far as I'm concerned, anyways. But lots of people seem to be excited about this, so here you go. No demo for PCs yet, but I'm kind of anti-demo, anyways, so that doesn't bother me. (I mean, would you buy a car if you got to take it home and drive it for a month, but it only went 35 MPH and the horn beeped every 45 seconds? I didn't think so.)

If you're not in the know (there have to be at least 6 of you out there that aren't) Altiverb is the original IR 'verb. Whether it is the best or not is open to interpretation. It is certainly one of them.



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May.30.2006 @ 10:24 PM
I always thought there was two kinds of reverb... the kind that comes from a spring and the shitty kind.

May.30.2006 @ 10:27 PM
penzoil washington
wow, I didn't know anyone hated Altiverb. I think it's amazing. I a-b'd my AKG BX 15 to the included BX 10 and BX 20 impulses, and it was extremely close to the 20 in every respect (kind of surprising, but there you go). A friend compared it to a couple different EMT hardware digital verbs and found it nearly identical. He also made some fine impulses himself which he finds satisfactory. I've also made some of my own signal chain impulses which I've found very useful. And the smallish and studio ambiences are very useful if you record in a dry room... I know you'll say "not nearly" or "wrong room", but it really gives you the ability to place recordings in a variety of realistic spaces, after which you can post process with an algoverb if you like.

May.30.2006 @ 10:36 PM
Chris Randall
Ooh, RexRhino shoots and scores!

Reverb is definitely a taste issue. I've said in pretty much every post on this subject that _I_ don't like IR. But it works for a lot of people. The difference between an EMT digiplate and an impulse of an EMT digiplate is that you can adjust the real thing. But, again, that's just me.

Really, I think that IR 'verbs sound choked. Squeezed. Compressed. Whatever. Having spent a _lot_ of time in "real" studios, with the real deal, I'm just used to 'em, and prefer 'em. I don't think an IR of a 460L sounds any more like a real 460L than the 460L presets in a PCM-91 do. There is something about those big digiverbs that is just _right_ and I can't explain it any better than that.

(Why we're on the subject, can someone explain to me why a PCM-91 costs $500 more than a 300 does? That just doesn't make any fucking sense. I'm sorry, but it doesn't.)



May.30.2006 @ 10:51 PM
As long as reverb's on the table, is anyone using the Guyatone tube reverb?

May.31.2006 @ 12:14 AM
Aenemone Carbuncler
altiverb is yr god... for what it is. or maybe you are Vincent Gallo. you purist nazi, f-i tweeb. or that love to hate freaks shit is at:
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seriously, it's what you make of it Soundhack is still king for me 14 years later. but altiverb is a great palatte. EXPLORE.


May.31.2006 @ 12:16 AM
Well, on the top of reverb...

Can anyone recommend a good sounding reverb or reverbish echo/delay pedal? It doesn't need a lot of high-end sound, as I am using it with a lo-fi homemade sampler with 8khz sampling rate, so high frequencies are not that important, and neither is if it is noisy. I really like spring reverb, and was considering the Dan Electro Spring King, but it looks fragile (I like sturdy things) and I would also like something in stereo.


May.31.2006 @ 12:55 AM
Aenemone Carbuncler

May.31.2006 @ 1:15 AM
You can actually do quite a bit of editing in Pristine Space. Funny, after man, many years of the real not real thing, I don't share your distaste for IR's.
(It's actually quite possible that you've got a better listening enviornment than the Koreatown apartment I do most of my work in in these convolution-friendly post-"real" studio days.)
However, I will say that if my old Ampeg Echo SuperTwin wasn't so dirty (what do expect from a 44 year old tube amp?) that reverb would kill anything: as lush as tera misu and thick as LA air.

May.31.2006 @ 1:23 AM
This whole thing reminds me of the Dynamic Delay on TC M300 which is just one of the 20 odd algorithms it comes with, and it's suppose to be the exact same thing as a 2290. Well, fuck that shit! It's funny how the same deal goes with many of the PCM series algorithms comparing to the ones in 480L.

Don't even get me started on 95% of plug-ins, those are much worse. I mean any DSP programmer can write a code that sounds somewhat close to a specific algorithm. But writing an algorithm from scratch and designing the hardware for it, is not easy. It's very time/money consuming. Which is the reason behind the high price of highend gear.

On the other hand, it's a fact that the pro musician/engineer community is much smaller than the "wannabe" one, which explains the focus of big companies on making crappy/cheap shit.

Those who don't see it the way it is, still have "industry dues" to pay!



May.31.2006 @ 8:29 AM
viz. cheap delay: I recently purchased a Akai headrush E2 for live/band shit. the thing rules. 23 second looping time. an space echo mode with 4 seperate "playback heads" and a seperate 1/4 in. out for each head. and it clocks in at under 200 dollars. rediculous.

After reading through this tread i went and bought a TC M-OneXL online on a whim (is there any other type of online purchase.) I've got a 8 track reel to reel upstate that I needed an effects processor for and it seems to fit the bill. I used to own a M300 and liked the effects/verb a good bit. But I never liked the set engines and the lack of editability. So the M-Ones dual engines and deeper editing should make me happy.

oh and I picked up a Furman RV-1 springverb on Craigslist for peanuts. Totally rules.


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