January 17, 2012

I Call Bullshit...

by Chris Randall

Synthtopia is reporting on Auria, a 48-track DAW for iOS (specifically the iPad 2) from WaveMachine Labs that will supposedly bring 24-channel recording and VST support to iOS.

I call bullshit, though. And for two reasons:

1. VST Support means what it says: the app hosts VST plug-ins built to the VST standard. However, there is no such thing as a VST SDK for iOS. This being the case, it is a physical impossibility for Auria to host VSTs; what it hosts are VSTs that have been ported to Auria. WaveMachine say they are "leading the charge" to bring the VST format to iOS. I personally like to think that, due to the nature of my business endeavors, I'd be aware of any such "charge." However, this is the first I've heard of it. Be that as it may, the sandbox design of iOS precludes any of this sort of thing at a basic level, at least in the manner we know it.

2. They claim the app can record 24 channels simultaneously. Yeah. Let's point out a couple things. First, there is no such thing as a 24-channel class-compliant USB 1.1 audio interface. So that's kind of important. There doesn't need to be a second thing. The first is enough.

I wouldn't be incensed about this except that in a situation like this we get a lot of people asking whether our plugs are going to be available on this platform. WaveMachine hasn't contacted us, which is interesting considering we're one of the largest of the 2nd Tier plugin companies. And if they did, we'd tell them we're not interested in porting a plug-in to sell it as an in-app purchase in a single DAW. We don't support single-DAW formats. Never have, never will. And rest assured this requires a port. This app can not host OS X VSTs. It is an impossibility.


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Jan.17.2012 @ 3:25 PM
please post this on every audio/recording/software forum on the internet so that idiots who don't know anything will STFU already about how they "just can't understand how (insert any/every software app for audio) isn't on the ipad already because it's a dual core chip..." and blah blah blah.

now, here's some christian derp step to bring the sentiment home.

link [www.amazon.com]

Jan.17.2012 @ 3:50 PM
You get the impression that it supports VST natively and I guess it's done deliberately.

On Youtube info they say: "Auria also features a first among mobile apps - VST plugin support."

But they actually say this at KVR: "Auria supports VST plug-ins that have been converted (by the plug-in developer) to iOS format."

Jan.17.2012 @ 3:50 PM
Maybe they're just a few days ahead of Steinberg's big iOS announcement at NAMM...?

Nah you're right there's NFW.

Jan.17.2012 @ 3:53 PM
Mr. B
This was in the thread over at Synthtopia, apparently a rep from Wave machine Labs:

Hi guys,

Although Auria has support for recording 24 input simultaneously, the largest USB interface we've tested with Auria has 18 inputs. Auria has no trouble playing back 48 tracks while recording all 18 simultaneously, and we're confident based on our tests that it will work great with 24 channel interfaces when they become available. You'll need an iPad camera connection kit in order to use USB interfaces, though. We'll have a list of all the multichannel USB interfaces we've tested with Auria on our web site soon.

Rim Buntinas
WaveMachine Labs, Inc.

Jan.17.2012 @ 3:59 PM
Chris Randall
I'm willing to be wrong about the USB thing. That's still a pretty hairy area with respect to iOS dev. But the VST plug-in thing is pretty simple: if the plug is _ported_ and is linked in the app, then it's part of the app, not a VST plug-in. That app doesn't host fuck-all.


Jan.17.2012 @ 4:07 PM
Mr. B
My take at present is that he confirms what you're saying about the USB thing.

Jan.17.2012 @ 4:21 PM
so, will i have to get a 2nd ipad to run my custom lemur for ipad app to control the channel strips of this auria mixer gui? ;)

Jan.17.2012 @ 5:28 PM
I guess it's plausible, I did run Studio Vision with VSTs on my Radius 81/110 and Quadra 9500 back in the day. They're not much bigger than two meters.

Jan.17.2012 @ 5:39 PM
Adam Schabtach
Since I'm still neck-deep in updating our product line for 64-bit operating systems, it's probably impossible for me to understate my interest in porting them to iOS.


Jan.17.2012 @ 6:19 PM
Duke Fame

At that sample rate, will we be able to pull out in time???

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